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Report: Iran test-fires more missiles

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Iran tested more missiles� in the Persian Gulf, state media reported Thursday, a day after the country drew Western criticism for test-firing nine rockets.

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moonlighter

Iran is being very schrewed, testing these missiles will keep the price of oil up and Iran will profit big time from this.
Iran knows if they attack Israel they would be turned into a parking lot, only a madman would embark on this venture, Israel has nukes and they will use them if their survival is put at risk.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:10 AM EDT
John E-371724

The Iranian president is a madman! He is a true believer in the Khomeini's Islamic Revolution. Last month in Rome, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed that the United States and Israel would soon be "annihilated," language he had not used so explicitly since October 2005 when he promised to wipe Israel "off the map" and urged Muslims to "envision a world without the United States." This week, his regime authorized a new series of Iranian war games. He ordered the digging of 320,000 graves to bury the enemies of Islam. To read more on this check out

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:11 AM EDT
Pacific Northwest Blogger

Good points moonlighter, It's good to view that some people can read between the lines.

People should read more.

Also understand where Iran gets the ballistic technology - Russia.

What is the US doing to upset Russia? Pushing NATO east and north towards Russia - against the agreements the US made with Russia at the end of the cold war and collapse of the Soviet Union.

Look a little deeper between the lines and you might even see a link of Russia prodding Iran.

Another proxy war or the makings of one.

    #1.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
    Tony Wlliams

    While reading between the lines I hope you took notes. Russia, China, and (we don't fight) France are all together on this with other Countries. Iran has a madman in charge. He is ruling the Country like the stubborn bully in the school yard that doesn't know when to give up. The Economics package that was presented to this Idiot would have given them nuclear power plants for electricity for the people. It would have helped with the building of Homes, schools, and hospitals. The only thing asked of him is to give up his Nuclear Weapons project.
    No-one wants to see a war started over there that will undoubtedly kill millions of innocent people That said if he keeps pushing there are at least 6 different Countries that are gonna push back. I hope it doesn't come to that. I hope that the Horse's Butt will see reason before he gets his people killed.

      #1.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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      Todd-305325

      so its OK for Israel and the US to have nukes but not Iran this is total BS look for a war to begin with Iran b4 the elections and Bush to declare martial law and stop the election all together

      • 1 vote
      Reply#2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:15 AM EDT
      ComSen

      Why don't we just hand out guns to the criminals. The police have them so the criminals should as well.

      • 1 vote
      #2.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
      SC Smitty

      Thanks ComSen.

      Todd, you don't hear the US saying we're going to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth or that we're going to annihilate another country for no reason.

        #2.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
        Steve-312468

        That's right - justify an arsonist coming into possession of a flamethrower by saying that other people have it, so why shouldn't he. I guess you won't really be happy until he burns your house down.

          #2.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
          awabnavi

          Can anyone give JUST ONE INSTANT of Iran invading and occupation another country and committing GENOCIDE, during the past 100 years or two? The US has done both invaded other countries time and again and committed the BIGGEST GENOCIDE IN HISTORY - the GENOCIDE OF THE NATIVE INDIANS - all TWELVE MILLION OF THEM and have herded the remaining few into RESERVATIONS. So who is the ARSONIST.

            #2.4 - Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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            fussygorilla

            Rice and her Booooosh boys know that Iran is not stupid enough to attack Israel or U.S. There is no need for Iran to attck them. These two terrorist states already are down and out and the world knows it. Rice is just barking in the air.

              Reply#3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:58 AM EDT
              Steve-312468

              Iran has rampant inflation and high unemployment - worse than anything the US is experiencing (Israel's economy is doing pretty well right now so these things aren't even an issue). Despite the money their country is making off the vastly inflated price of oil, shortages of refined petroleum products are chronic. Despite stringent enforcement of laws banning both, drug use and prostitution are wiespread, especially in major cities and especially among young adults.

              Who is it that's really down and out here? It certainly looks like it's not Israel or the US.

                #3.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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                gravy

                Iran has repeatedly made threats to the exsistance of Israel. As a nation, they've supported terroism in Israel and Iraq. Clearly, they must not be allowed to continue down the road they're on now.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#4 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:01 AM EDT
                salmonslayer

                The whole thing is a shell game. If the price of oil went back down to 60 or 70 bucks a barrel the economy of Iran would implode, as would the other main source of hot air in the world, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. These two countries in particular have subsidized their economies and ideologies on the back of oil spikes. As long as the western press is in the business of scare mongering, headlines like this will keep oil traders " nervous " or " concerned" or whatever word they cook up on a daily basis to explain their part in the dance.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#5 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:02 AM EDT
                cyan60

                no it wouldnt we actually buy very little oil from iran mostly china buys it. and in euro's not dollars that is why we went to war in iraq and that is why we are pulling @!$%# with iran.

                our dollar is based on the oil trade. only thing that backs it. since alot of oil nations are now accepting the euro our stock market is on the verge of collapse. its just not something your going to hear out of the fed's mouth or on CNN.

                • 1 vote
                #5.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:40 AM EDT
                Katereena

                Exactly cyan60,

                This is not about the Iranian president and the testing missiles he is using because our crappy government and Israel have been provoking him for years. This is about their oil trade with Euro and not with Dollars (which is also the same reason Iraq was attacked), but ignorant people choose to believe liars like Bush and Rice. These ignorant people don't know how they are used through fear in order to submit all their rights to the government. When they finally wake up to reality it will be too late for all of us. They support and give power to the beast without them knowing it. They are caught up in the great delusion of lies and manipulations that help give rise to the beast.

                Market Full Of Oil, Price Trend "Fake" - Ahmadinejad: Ahmadinejad is correct. Seen any lines? Any signs at gas stations saying they have run out? Seen any signs saying odd or even license plates only to buy gas today?

                There is plenty of gas. The price is going up for two reasons. The first is the plummeting dollar. The second is that with only a few months left in power, Bush's oil corporation buddies are out to loot as much cash from Americans as they can, with Bush's enthusiastic help.

                Can US citizens regain control of our government?

                Yes, they can but it requires direct action and involvement on their part. They can't simply sit around and hope that their next "representative" will be a little bit better. They should be the masters of their own destiny rather than allow "leaders" to decide for them.

                There's so much we the people can do to stop them, but first people need to wake up and stop believing everything they hear in the media (the right arm of the beast). They want to scare us so we will have complete trust in their ways so they can have complete control over us.

                • 1 vote
                #5.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
                cyan60

                never happen too many sheep in the heard

                  #5.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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                  Kellley

                  Another War Gee just we not we need more people killed. What has this World come to,why can we not all live in peace with love for one another like the Lord wants us to do. I am so sad to see all this going on in the World we can not pay for the war going on right now. People here in the U.S need help who will help us? Only God will from what I see going on.God be with all of us.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#6 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:17 AM EDT
                  cyan60

                  Peace? there is no profit in it. never going to happen

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
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                  Sheerer101

                  Iran wont do @!$%#, if they ever did the US would be the first people there to concour them and take control of their oil supply... And fro the record McCain is the bigest dumb piece of @!$%# that has ever walked the planet seriously if we elect that guy as president it will be just like G.W Bush third term in office.

                    Reply#7 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:18 AM EDT
                    cyan60

                    I agree. yet either way obama will be a powerless puppet remember the last president that stood up against the military industrial machine? Robert F Kennedy.

                    Iran is taunting the U.S. to invade. 10,000 to 1 bet he has no nukes lol. we will be made fools of again in front of the arab world.

                    and quite frankly if he did he wont use them NOBODY ON THIS PLANET WILL!!!!

                    its all saber rattling for profit. bush should have been removed from office 7 years ago.

                      #7.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:36 AM EDT
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                      Hugh Cantell

                      Wait a minute. The Bush administration started the saber rattling that caused the oil spikes in the first place. Bush is an "oil man", you know, as are his friends back in Texas.

                      Now Iran starts firing off missiles to show the world they can reach Israel if they're attacked and Americans are blaming it all on Iran? Americans are forgetting the part where Bush threatened to attack Iran first. Americans are forgetting the part where Bush proved to the world what he's about by attacking Iraq for no reason. But he didn't attack North Korea, did he? So the world has learned Bush only attacks countries that can't defend themselves and Iran's missile tests are the result.

                      If Bush hadn't started his usual macho bullsh!t oil would likely still be sub-$100. Next thing you know Chavez will be firing missiles too. It's the only language Bush understands.

                        Reply#8 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
                        Anonymous1111

                        Agreed that Bush is a complete idiot and that a chimpanzee would do better off in office then he has. We would probably be able to understand the chimpanzee better anyhow. Anyway point is, this all started with Bush, but Iran is still to blame. Iran is either trying to ruin the Americas by taunting us, or they do have nuclear warheads. I don't understand why Iran wont show our United Nations ambassadors what they are working on. The only reason to hide things from others is because they people hiding are up to no good.

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
                        Tony Wlliams

                        The head Idiot in charge (Bush) actually is backing two plans first. The Economics stimulus Package and to put in place Sanctions. While he is an idiot he is going with the other Nations on this first. He also took the stance that if Iran pushes for a war that he will not hesitate to respond in kind. (Gees aren't you reading the whole article before putting foot in mouth).

                          #8.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
                          Steve-312468

                          Where does it say that the US put a gun to Ahemdinejad's head and forced him to develop nuclear weapons? Is there something in the Koran that commands Iran to develop a missile capable of traveling 1250 miles with a nuclear warhead?

                          Absent the threat of an Iran with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them there is no outside threat to the current Iranian regime's activities and as such no threat to Iran, real or perceived, from the US or Israel.

                            #8.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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                            I.A.M. Free American

                            How is it that the whole world is going to go hell just so that Israel can have atomic bombs and no one else in the Middle East?

                            We need to amend the Constitution to clearly define what an American president can and cannot do when it comes to our foreign policy.

                            As it is now, a president can wreck havoc on the world without fear of being held accountable. Now we have the Imperial President in George Bush who is telling us we need to change our laws/Constitution (surrender our rights) to combat terrorism.

                            Our current foreign policy allows Bush to incite wars by siding with rouge coutries like Israel, and then we have to foot the bill and take the hits (9/11 - more than 4,000 death in Iraq) while Israel sits pretty and our military industrial complex fuels the fire while making big profits.

                            We need a law that will prevent rouge presidents from picking out one country over the rest of the world by giving it special treatment. We need a workable "Prime Directive" that our presidents can follow that is based on technology and food assistance and not on arms, munitions and deception. Our government peddles death.

                            As it is now, the world is the mercy of whatever foreign special interest (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) that helps to elect our presidents. This war on terror we're fighting is the direct result of a mis-guided foreign policy.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#9 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:38 AM EDT
                            VNVet

                            OK. So the Dork of Persia is rattling some meaningless sabres. He threatens his neighbors more than anyone else. Iran is a country that militarily was at a standstill with Iraq for 10 years. Not exactly a heavyweight contender. Bush is, thankfully, on his way out, and maybe some of the damage can be repaired. There was never a reason to go into Iraq. Iran has some dues to pay yet. Their Karma will catch up with them. I prefer research into eliminating oil as a commodity. Put our science into removing the Persian cash flow. There won't be a need to invest in more missiles then, the market will adjust the bravado.

                            And put some sense into wall street. A test fired missile is not a reason to raise the cost of oil. What a bunch of vultures. No one was attacked. Nothing was damaged. A big kid played with his new toy and is strutting around like a rooster. Whoop de do.

                              Reply#10 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:39 AM EDT
                              I.A.M. Free American

                              How is it that the whole world is going to go hell just so that Israel can have atomic bombs and no one else in the Middle East?

                              We need to amend the Constitution to clearly define what an American president can and cannot do when it comes to our foreign policy.

                              As it is now, a president can wreck havoc on the world without fear of being held accountable. Now we have the Imperial President in George Bush who is telling us we need to change our laws/Constitution (surrender our rights) to combat terrorism.

                              Our current foreign policy allows Bush to incite wars by siding with rouge coutries like Israel, and then we have to foot the bill and take the hits (9/11 - more than 4,000 death in Iraq) while Israel sits pretty and our military industrial complex fuels the fire while making big profits.

                              We need a law that will prevent rouge presidents from picking out one country over the rest of the world by giving it special treatment. We need a workable "Prime Directive" that our presidents can follow that is based on technology and food assistance and not on arms, munitions and deception. Our government peddles death.

                              As it is now, the world is the mercy of whatever foreign special interest (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) that helps to elect our presidents. This war on terror we're fighting is the direct result of a mis-guided foreign policy.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#11 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:41 AM EDT
                              Vandelay

                              Stop copy/pasting that into every article. If you have nothing original or new to add to the conversation, don't.

                              • 1 vote
                              #11.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
                              Steve-312468

                              Why is it that the only justification anyone can come up with for Iran having nuclear weapons is "well, Israel has them"?

                              There are people who demonstrate their total lack of common sense every day in the week. Does that mean that the rest of us should do that too?

                              What strikes me is that among all of Iran's apologists there is hardly anyone anymore that denies they are trying to develop nuclear weapons.

                                #11.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
                                I.M.A. Free AmericanDeleted
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                                salmonslayer

                                Cyan ,A lot of Iranian oil goes to the EU, not China. China doesn't pay in euros. The dollar peg is one of the main complaints by Iran and Venezuela at every OPEC meeting. In any case the fact that we don't use Iranian crude has absolutely nothing to do with fuel and infrastructure subsidies in those countries. Or their reliance on high energy prices.

                                  Reply#12 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:04 AM EDT
                                  MarineOne

                                  I suggest that if the Iranians shoot these missiles over international waters that we shoot them down. Our Aegis class ships have this capability. Apparently some people adding comments no nothing of the danger posed by these missiles (even without nuclear warheads). Don't forget that the mere presence of missiles in Cuba almost set off a nuclear war. History holds many lessons which most people tend to forget or never learned. If you want to do something for your country go to the nearest Armed Forces recruiting office and join up. Nothing in life is free my friends, nothing.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#13 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:12 AM EDT
                                  Hugh Cantell

                                  Nothing in life is free -- unless you're Bush or Cheney.

                                  The Cuban missile crisis was about SOVIET NUCLEAR WARHEADS less than 100 miles from the U.S. mainland. The Iranian missiles have a range of 1250 miles according to the article and Iran has NO NUCLEAR CAPABILITY. Comparing these two events is apples and oranges.

                                  If U.S. ships in the Persian Gulf -- international waters as you already pointed out -- start firing missiles at Iranian tests you won't be able to afford a gallon of gas no less a fill up. And with our economy in already dire straits thanks to the everything is free in life twins, Bush and Cheney, we can hardly afford another nail in the economic coffin they've built.

                                  PS If you want to do something for your country stop supporting these two fascists and their money making ideas of perma-war profiteering.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #13.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:39 AM EDT
                                  cyan60

                                  yes history does have many lessons

                                  lesson 1. the united states has NEVER successfully occupied another country.
                                  lesson 2. they have had these missiles for years. and done nothing.

                                    #13.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
                                    Tony Wlliams

                                    While some continue to bash and flame the Bush administration what about the other 5 Nations that are all in agreement about this?
                                    This isn't saber rattling. This is about putting and end to a mad man's ambition. The leader of Iran wants a nuke and he has 6 Nations telling him "NO".

                                      #13.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
                                      Steve-312468

                                      Cyan60

                                      If you think Iran has done nothing with their missiles, ask Hezbollah where they got the missiles they fired at Haifa in the Summer of 2006.

                                      Maybe we should follow your advice and wait until AFTER Iran does something with a nuclear capable missile before we respond. So what if it means that a part of the Middle East (or Southeastern Europe, or maybe someplace near you if this technology gets in the hands of a nearby terrorist cell) will glow in the dark for the next century or so?

                                      I get a real kick out of people like you. You're among the first to complain about the US doing something to potentially prevent bloodshed and the first to complain about how the US let all those innocent people die because they did nothing to stop it. Try getting around your knee jerk anti-Americanism and dealing with reality for a change.

                                        #13.4 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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                                        Mary-361825

                                        I agree with everyone who believes it is not the right of any one particular head of any country in the world to dictate what other countries can and cannot do. If Iran or any country wants to enrich Uranium or whatever the hell else they want that is their right. Why is there a freekin double standard where Israel and it's puppet, the USA can enrich @!$%# if they want to? Why does Israel nuclear weapons at the ready? Why does the US have nuclear weapons? Who has the right to determine if somebody is cookoo or not? Who has the right to interfere with other countries way of running their business if the population of that country is OK with it? WHO DETERMINES WHO IS ABOVE HUMANITY AND WHO IS BELOW SUBHUMITY? WHO DETERMINES WHO IS MORE SUPERIOR IN THE WORLD???

                                        Why did 9-11 happen? Can anyone say OIL??? They (the Jewish lobby who really runs this country and who advise or should I say TELL Bush everything that he must do, including wiping his butt when he @!$%#s--if he does at all) needed a reason to convince the gullible people of the good ole US of A, that we needed to go to Iraq because Saddam had weapons of mass destructions, Guess what? He lied. Big surprise, so now what? How long has Saddam been dead??? Why are we still sticking around IN IRAQ. REMEMBER, IRAQ HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH 9/11!!!!! It was all a plan, people, concocted by the people who REALLY RUN THIS GOVERNMENT. HULLOOOW.

                                        Can anyone say OIL?? Why is it that the Texas OIL companies made over 40 BILLION DOLLAR
                                        profit last year? Then they blame it on the Arabs in the Middle East. I AM SICK OF THIS @!$%#!!!
                                        WAKE UP AMERICA. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED BEYOND BELIEF.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#14 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
                                        cyan60

                                        I agree Mary. and i am still wondering how those would be hijackers managed to strike the WTC towers with such precision that they both collapsed like a controlled implosion. hell of a bunch of pilots. And lets not forget silversteins on national tv admission that building 7 was "pulled" to avert the further lose of life. amazing how they were able to wire that building in a few hours to "pull" it

                                        takes demo experts weeks to do that.

                                        I have not been buying one dam bit of it at all. this administration for the last 8 years has done nothing but destroy this country in the name of national security or terrorism lets call it what it is profit and control.

                                        Alot of investigating needs to be done. but then of course we all know Oswald acted alone. because government says so

                                          #14.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:58 AM EDT
                                          Steve-312468

                                          I think you have your canards mixed up a bit. If anything, you showed how "the Jews" really had nothing to do with 9/11. After all, how much oil is there in Israel? How many Jewish controlled oil fields are there in Saudi Arabia, Nigeria or Venezuela? If your theory about the US government being controlled by the Jews is correct, then they should have benefited immensely from the increase in oil prices. I don't see where they did, do you? BTW, oil prices started going up in the summer of 1999, more than two years before 9/11.

                                          I guess if it were up to you, EVERYONE would have nuclear weapons, because it's not anyone else's business.

                                          It was the mutually assured deterrence possessed by the US and the USSR that prevented either one from ever thinking that they might benefit from launching a nuclear attack on the other. It was the SALT treaties that provided for a major decrease in their nuclear weapons inventories, and it was the NPT that made proliferation the business of its signatories, through agencies like the IAEA. Iran is a signatory to the NPT and as such, its nuclear activities are the business of others. Israel is not and as such has the right to keep its nuclear activities to itself. Iran can always withdraw from the NPT, but then again, that would be a tacit admission that their cover story about peaceful nuclear development is the lie everyone else already knows it to be.

                                          Based on your post, I don't think you have the right to complain about anyone else being brainwashed.

                                            #14.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:04 PM EDT
                                            Tony Wlliams

                                            Mary And Cyan please, please, please put the drink, the pot, and the cocaine down before you kill any more brain cells.
                                            If it where up to people like you instead of the Police having guns we'd be giving them to crooks. We have 1 planet to live on. Your suggesting that anybody that wants a nuke should have it.
                                            I don't drink and I've never done drugs and the amount I would have to consume of both in order to see your way of thinking would surely leave me brain dead.

                                              #14.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:08 PM EDT
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                                              I.A.M. Free American

                                              I suggest we do nothing against Iran.

                                              The only people who have anything to fear in the Middle East is everyone but those in Israel. Israel's atomic bombs pose the greatest threat to peace in the region and the world.

                                              How is it that only Israel can have atomic bombs and no one else?

                                              The world needs to disarm Israel with sanctions and possily with a big stick if it doesn't allow for the destruction of their atomic bombs by the International community.

                                              What amazes me the most is how easy the Media and the current G.O.P administration have brainwashed people like Marine One and others who simply don't get it that war is not the answer.

                                              We don't have to go out and kill thousands of people so a few can profit from it.

                                              It's madness!!

                                              How can anyone support an attack on Iran knowing it will cause so much death and destruction.

                                              We'll suffer too.

                                              We need to bring George Bush to justice!

                                              Our children, our treasure, our peace, and our honor should not be for sale!

                                              We need a Prime Directive (Constiutional Amendment) for a real foreign policy that reflects our character as a nation, one free from the hand of a rouge president, like Bush who seems to be serving only selfesh special interests (AIPAC /Oil Companies).

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#15 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
                                              Anonymous1111

                                              ::This comment is a reply to Mary-361825:: I accidentally didn't hit reply.::

                                              First off, you are a complete imbecile. There is no one telling Bush what to do but himself. There is no conspiracy and I am truly appalled that you are blaming the Jews. You are an ignorant person that has no educational view on this subject, and on top of that your grammar is atrocious. 9/11 happened because an Islamic extremist (named Osama Bin-Laden) decided he thought it was cool to be an @!$%# and make a completely pointless attack on the United States. This attack shook up the people as well as the government, and due to Bush being a complete idiot he went into Iraq cause he thought there were nuke's there; he was scared of another attack from a Communist, Islamic Extremist country. The reason why oil companies made 40 Billion dollar profit, is because the price raise out weighs the amount of barrels they are bringing into the country. To conclude my rant; The Arabs are to blame, the Islamic Extremist Arabs that is. They constantly threaten the United States as well as Israel, with bombings etc.... The reason for establishing who is allowed nukes and who is not, is due to the fact that there are crazy, extremist, terrorist leaders out there; and whether you like it or not, someone has to facilitate the world. As much as I don't agree with that, it is how it must be. The US is currently the most powerful, sane minded, for the most part peaceful country right now, so we have control. Grow up.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#16 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
                                              cyan60

                                              oh my god. after the first gulf war it was determined before and after there were NO weapons in iraq.

                                              you my friend are so brainwashed. the oil companies are telling us the profit margins remains the same whether oil is $70 a barrel or $150 a barrel. 7%. and after everything else is taking out its only 3%. remember congress grilling the oil execs a month ago or so?

                                              look up a market called ICE. Intercontinental Exchange. find out who is behind this unregulated and unreported exchange.

                                              Then, in January 2006, ICE Futures in London began trading a futures contract for West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil, a type of crude oil that is produced and delivered in the United States. ICE Futures also notified the CFTC that it would be permitting traders in the United States to use ICE terminals in the United States to trade its new WTI contract on the ICE Futures London exchange. ICE Futures as well allowed traders in the United States to trade US gasoline and heating oil futures on the ICE Futures exchange in London.

                                              Despite the use by US traders of trading terminals within the United States to trade US oil, gasoline, and heating oil futures contracts, the CFTC has until today refused to assert any jurisdiction over the trading of these contracts.

                                              Persons within the United States seeking to trade key US energy commodities – US crude oil, gasoline, and heating oil futures – are able to avoid all US market oversight or reporting requirements by routing their trades through the ICE Futures exchange in London instead of the NYMEX in New York.

                                              Is that not elegant? The US Government energy futures regulator, CFTC opened the way to the present unregulated and highly opaque oil futures speculation. It may just be coincidence that the present CEO of NYMEX, James Newsome, who also sits on the Dubai Exchange, is a former chairman of the US CFTC. In Washington doors revolve quite smoothly between private and public posts.

                                              A glance at the price for Brent and WTI futures prices since January 2006 indicates the remarkable correlation between skyrocketing oil prices and the unregulated trade in ICE oil futures in US markets. Keep in mind that ICE Futures in London is owned and controlled by a USA company based in Atlanta Georgia.

                                              In January 2006 when the CFTC allowed the ICE Futures the gaping exception, oil prices were trading in the range of $59-60 a barrel. Today some two years later we see prices tapping $120 and trend upwards. This is not an OPEC problem, it is a US Government regulatory problem of malign neglect.

                                              By not requiring the ICE to file daily reports of large trades of energy commodities, it is not able to detect and deter price manipulation.

                                              And bush signed it!!!

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                                              #16.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
                                              Anonymous1111

                                              I completely agree with you, and I must correct myself. Bush tried to finish what his father started. But again, Bush is an idiot and isn't capable of using that child's toy where you put the shapes in the right hole. So he lives in his own little world and didn't want to believe that Iraq didn't have missiles.

                                              Oh and by the way, if you have been following recent news, the margins for oil companies are absolutely ridiculously high compared to last years margin. The stock shares have acquired so much more money. And they continue to blame oil distribution over seas.

                                                #16.2 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
                                                Steve-312468

                                                cyan60

                                                So you really think that there were no WMD's found in Iraq after the Gulf War?

                                                The US recently removed 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq. Where do you think it came from?

                                                "The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

                                                The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions."

                                                - as reported by the Associated Press, July 6, 2008.

                                                As for the rest of your post, you give a very good illustration of how parts of the commodities markets work and how vulnerable they are to speculators, but nowhere did this substantiate your assertion that oil company margins are not constant regardless of the price of oil. More to the point, nowhere in Anonymous' post did he ever say that those profit margins were not related to price (it's obvious that they are).

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                                                #16.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
                                                Anonymous1111

                                                Steve-312468 - Agreed.

                                                  #16.4 - Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
                                                  awabnavi

                                                  If it WAS Osama who did 9/11, why cant he do a REPEAT? Whats stopping him? Did he have only those few AGENTS in ther US? doesn't he have anymore? If he can create such HAVOC in Iraq and Afghanistan why can't he do the same in the US? Why are their no SUICIDE CAR BOMBINGS in the US? These are all points to be considered very carefully.

                                                    #16.5 - Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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                                                    Mary-361825

                                                    What I really don't understand is the mentality of some of the people here, who say they are God-fearing and then say, we should nuke those who are out to HURT US. How are "these people" hurting us if they are imploring ways to defend themselves against those (America and Israel) who want to HURT THEM 'FIRST?'

                                                    I'T MIND BOGGLING

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                                                    Reply#17 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
                                                    Steve-312468

                                                    Interesting post -

                                                    Why in your opinion do the Iranians need nuclear weapons to defend themselves from the US and Israel, if it is precisely Iran's development of nuclear weapons that invite attention from the US and Israel in the first place?

                                                    There is no threat to Iran from either of those two countries, absent Iran's interest in developing nuclear weapons.

                                                    BTW, I think the word you are looking for is 'explore' not 'implore'.

                                                      #17.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
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                                                      Mary-361825

                                                      Dearest Anon:

                                                      Who's the imbecile? Grow up yourself and get educated. My grammer is perfect. I don't use spell-check, so sue me. There are no CONSPIRACY theories, only garbage that they fed you. Just by chance that they found a perfectly CLEAN, UNSCATHED, INTACT, NOT A CRIMPLE IN THE CORNERS OF A PASSPORT BELONGING TO AN ARAB "TERRORIST" THAT THEY CLAIMED TOOK FLYING LESSONS.

                                                        Reply#18 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
                                                        Anonymous1111

                                                        First off Mary, why are you yelling. Enough with the caps-lock, did you forget to take off cruise control? Anyway, I am very educated and I closely follow the occurrences in the middle east. No one was blamed, there were no scapegoat. The United States government, was unsure of who did it and looked for evidence. Hours after the incident of 9-11 a tape was found by CIA officials, where Osama Bin-Laden claimed all responsibility for the attack, hence a culprit was found. Please get your facts straight, you are constantly posting heinous comments that are complete opinion based.

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                                                        #18.1 - Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
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                                                        Mary-361825

                                                        FYI---the jews, or should I say, the Israeli Zionists run the world, they tell their puppet, the US what to do, but they don't tell God what to do. You don't rush God. He will fix things in HIS OWN TIME, maybe not in our lifetime, but in HIS OWN SWEET TIME.

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                                                        Reply#19 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
                                                        LGMD

                                                        You're right Mary, God will fix it in his own time.

                                                        And, the like of you Neo-Nazi Marcionite pariahs out there will burn in eternity.

                                                        Israel and Jews are just ripe to be scapegoated again, and you're just the type of girl to do it. Zieg Mary!

                                                          #19.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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                                                          I.A.M. Free American

                                                          I agree with Mary. Take the rant of Anonymous1111 for instance.
                                                          He's probably Jewish or is on the clock - so he has an interest in the U.S. backing Israel.
                                                          David Ben-Gurion said it best: "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
                                                          How is it that we citizens of the U.S. can support such tactics, yet that's what we do for Israel. I say no more!
                                                          I don't want to support Israel.
                                                          This whole mess of World Terroism we're in is based on Zionism and Israel's aggression.

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                                                          Reply#20 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
                                                          Steve-312468

                                                          Ben Gurion said that? Really?

                                                          When and where? Maybe you found it on the 'PA funded 'Media Monitors' website?

                                                          Are you going to tell me that it came from Ian Lustick's 'Arabs in the Jewish State?'

                                                          Maybe if you were familiar with the book, you would know that there is nothing even remotely resembling the quote anywhere in that book, never mind that anything even remotely like it that can actually be attributed to David Ben Gurion. Lustick's book does not put Israel's dealings with the Arabs of the Galilee in a positive light, but nowhere does he use the quote you mention, much less accuse Israel of wanting to expel Galilean Arabs.

                                                          Then again, why let reality get in the way of your Israel bashing?

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                                                          #20.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
                                                          Anonymous1111

                                                          Steve-312468 is very correct in his rebuttal to I.A.M.'s comment, not once nor through speech or scripture has Ben Gurion said "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." On top of this indignant comment, you have absolutely no cited backing. Please reply a cited example of said quote, from a legitimate source.

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                                                          #20.2 - Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
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                                                          farmkid1972

                                                          Its time we let Israel walk all over Iran and make that place a ghost town and then see how tough they are. I would like them to just try and block the Strait of Hormuz .The US fleet of ships would level their butts and send them back home 6 foot in the ground where they all belong.

                                                            Reply#21 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:31 AM EDT
                                                            Alex-371783

                                                            Are you kidding me??? Why is this even top news?? Iran has every right to defend themselves. Who are we to tell them not to?? Why is it our business?? We need to stop being bullies on this planet. Look at what happened in Iraq. Is that a success story? Guess what... the Irabs hate us more than ever.
                                                            We test weapons all the time and no other country protests. It is so hypocritical.

                                                            If " Ira Rosenbaum" from Hollywood, California don't like it and uses his influences to protect Israel, good luck. Haven't we supported Irael enough?? Haven't my tax dollars given Israel ( at no charge ) the most advance US weapons to defend themselves? Iran has no chance of hurting us here in the states. Leave them alone. I am sick and tired of paying high fuel prices.

                                                            Most common sense Americans should see the truth in what is truly going on. We have problems here at home that needs immediate attention.

                                                            And Yes, believe it or not, I am a two time combat veteran of the Iraqi Freedom.

                                                              Reply#22 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
                                                              cyan60

                                                              You were over in iraq recently?

                                                                #22.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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                                                                Iamresponsible.

                                                                Black helicopters.......look out!

                                                                  Reply#23 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
                                                                  Alex-371783

                                                                  Yes, Daddy Bush back in 91 and GW in 2003-2004.

                                                                  What the heck did I get out of it? In reality gas prices should be dirt cheap because we actually run Iraq.

                                                                    Reply#24 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
                                                                    cyan60

                                                                    so tell us alex is iran supporting anything over there? do the iraqi's really want us there?

                                                                      #24.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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                                                                      Luis M

                                                                      These times remind me of when Alqueda destroyed the Great Budas' of Iraq. I'm not so worried of Terran I'm more worried if Israel, They have been aggressive and act unilaterally, They don't waste time saber rattling they act & invade, Russia is already pissed off we went into a Russian territory with a missile shield and they have said they will defend Iran! this is very bad, very bad.

                                                                        Reply#25 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
                                                                        Steve-312468

                                                                        Since when is the Czech Republic 'Russian territory'?

                                                                          #25.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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